All glow plugs burned out.

[beltfedonly]

Is there a common item that fails and would allow all 8 glow plugs to burn out?

 

[Bulldogger]

Most of the time folks attribute it to the start box going bad. There are plans on this site to rebuild the smart box to a 'dumb' box, with a push button to send power to the (new) glow plugs. Many like this. It's not too hard to DIY if you've some soldering experience, or can find a friend to do it, or you can just buy the CamoTek box (he's on this site). If your Wait light is not blinking or otherwise appears fine, it could just be bad glow plugs.

It is very common for the one's glow plugs to be inferior, unless you are absolutely sure where they came from. A lot of counterfeit glow plugs are sold, especially when searching for inexpensive ones (and especially eBay or Amazon). If you suspect you may have cheap glow plugs, the "fix" could be as simple as sourcing new ones from a reputable source like Kascar, Hummerpartsguy, or similar. Be advised not all eBay sellers, even those with military themes, are selling high quality glow plugs (not by choice, necessarily). Try working with a seller that has reliable primary parts suppliers. It's worth it in the end.

If you do not have one, it is also a good idea to get a swollen glow plug removal tool, various sellers have them, and they are all the same basic function. If even one plug is swollen, the tool will pay for itself in emotional and physical savings! I think someone on this site even showed how to hack one from a large bolt and nut. I found it easier to just buy one.

Best of luck,
Bulldogger

 

[softail97]

if you haven't done any troubleshooting I would recommend pulling one of the boots from the glow plug and inserting a volt meter. If it holds continual 24v dc when you turn the switch on and doesn't drop off after 4-6sec.(after the wait light goes off) them the smart box is an issue. Most like one of the MOSFET have failed on the circuit board allowing constant voltage to go the plug constant voltage=extreme heat to the glow plugs= fried glow plugs.

 

[beltfedonly]

Thanks for the information guys.

 

[Powderkegger]

Being new to the owner's club... I had "cold start issues" in late fall, and replaced the glow plugs. Everything was great! ...For 3 days. Thinking that the freshly replaced GPs couldn't be it, I researched everything/anything. All I'd get was white smoke. Finally rechecked the continuity of the GPs expecting 1.5 to 5.0 ohms. No dice; one read 37 mega ohms and the rest were OL (out of the meter limits). Researched options and caled a couple of suppliers, and replacement builders. Most were happy to take an order, but I felt rushed of the phone. One stood out. Cam at Camotek Systems. His desire to help is amazing. The time and knowledge he contributed (even after the sale) was a level that surpassed great service and went into legendary. He had forseen and fulfilled and needs or issues with his product so we'll that the only way to improve it further would be for him to install it for you. His M-PCB with remote line and key is top notch!
I had a fitment issue due to having the American Machine's dash rearranging the gauges. I hadn't informed Cam that the mounting placard for Start switch and Remote wasn't able to fit due to non military gauge layout. He helped me find a suitable solution that tucks the remote button safely away, yet still within easy use.
100% happy with the product and the experience.

 

[Retiredwarhorses]

Only one thing will grenade 8 plugs simultaneously, and thats a bad start box.

 

[TOBASH]

Depending on your starter box, you can turn it into something much more robust. In my signature line, you will find a link that allowed meto learn how to fix the deficiencies of a starter box.

 

[Powderkegger]

I did a lot of research prior to my decision. I saw your product. Viewed the links through the posting dates and compared to the other products I was checking out. Your version seemed like a poor attempt to chose cheap components in an attempt to lower price, while affecting quality and robustness. Due to learning in 37 years of electronic and CNC repair... a good technician never blames his tools... I didn't want to sacrifice quality for a few dollars, or I would have bought your product. However, it also didn't make sense to pay you for your poor attempt at someone else's intellectual property.

 

[TOBASH]

I did a lot of research prior to my decision. I saw your product. Viewed the links through the posting dates and compared to the other products I was checking out. Your version seemed like a poor attempt to chose cheap components in an attempt to lower price, while affecting quality and robustness. Due to learning in 37 years of electronic and CNC repair... a good technician never blames his tools... I didn't want to sacrifice quality for a few dollars, or I would have bought your product. However, it also didn't make sense to pay you for your poor attempt at someone else's intellectual property.

What are you talking about?

I never offered to sell you anything. I offered to help a new member rebuild their box like I have done from many people before.

Instead, you spit in my face and posted things that are just not true.

Also, that was never anyone else’s intellectual property.

Doesn’t matter. Your rude response adds you to “ignore”.

 

[Powderkegger]

What are you talking about?

Also, that was never anyone else’s intellectual property. On the other bulletin boards for the 5 ton they also list different schematics and that motivated me to load up these schematics.

I never offered to sell you a product. I offered to help, like I have offered to help many others who have rebuilt their boxes independently from me and now are driving their vehicles happily without sending me a dime.

Doesn’t matter. Your rude response adds you to “ignore”.

If you wish to ignore, that is your prerogative. However, you posted the theft of the intellectual property yourself. On your own posts. I compared the product you created, from said stolen property, to the original and currently improved model. Yours is lacking (per your own design,) in robustness and quality. The circuitry you recommend can not handle the test of the most basic of Ohm's Law. In its lack, it will be short lived. Go look at your own posts where you "modify" a better technician's work and then recommend inferior parts. you labelled it at the top of the page, right next to where you failed to redact the original creator.
Sometimes people think a person is being rude when that person is simply pointing out the lies of a thief. Please help me understand how I should better handle a charlatan... I choose to be direct and confront them with honesty. What is your way?

 

[Powderkegger]

What are you talking about?

I never offered to sell you anything. I offered to help a new member rebuild their box like I have done from many people before.

Instead, you spit in my face and posted things that are just not true.

Also, that was never anyone else’s intellectual property.

Doesn’t matter. Your rude response adds you to “ignore”.

Please remember... I didn't reply to one of your posts, first.
You came here and replied to me and claimed you learned something, when you stole the intellectual property from another who seemingly tried helping you out. For his apparent generosity, you proceeded to undercut the quality so you could undercut the price. (I'm just guessing the most apparent motive. You can explain your original reasoning, or you can ignore me like you mentioned.)

Merry Christmas.

 

[thompsoncustom]

Please remember... I didn't reply to one of your posts, first.
You came here and replied to me and claimed you learned something, when you stole the intellectual property from another who seemingly tried helping you out. For his apparent generosity, you proceeded to undercut the quality so you could undercut the price. (I'm just guessing the most apparent motive. You can explain your original reasoning, or you can ignore me like you mentioned.)

Merry Christmas.

I think your miss informed Tobash isn't selling anything he has a walk through for people to build there own manual push button start box and it's up to you what quality you make it. He was very helpful when I rebuilt mine and never tired to sell me anything tho I offered to pay him to do it he instead just helped me fix mine. Think your barking up the wrong tree.

 

[Powderkegger]

His product is the substandard version with lower quality components being recommended after taking someone else's proprietary intellectual property. Stealing someone else's creation is still theft. Lowering the performance quality is sacrilegious, on top of that. His own posts show that he took someone else's work. He tried to redact the name with black marker, but missed an identification mark and date. He even dated it 2 years later and calls it modified. He recommended parts that are meant for much lower amperage ratings (yes, they function, but they will fatigue faster than the proery rated components)
Again, he replied about his (claimed) intellectual product, and I disputed it with facts.

 

[Coug]

The only thing I saw blacked out was at the top of the pinout page. It wasn't a name, and it wasn't anything proprietary.

The pinout isn't stealing someone else's design, it's just saying what wires do what job.

The name is still at the top of that page, not blacked out, and he had CAMO's permission to reuse it (milcommoguy, also known as CAMO and owner of CAMOTEK, later in the thread)

Believe it or not, a lot of the people on here aren't here to make huge amounts of money, but to help others be able to fix their stuff, and at reasonable prices.


Now, I may be seeing something different than you, so rather than just repeatedly stating that someone is dishonest or unethical, could you please provide the actual information that you are disputing/refuting, rather than just repeately calling people names?

 

[Powderkegger]

The only thing I saw blacked out was at the top of the pinout page. It wasn't a name, and it wasn't anything proprietary.

The pinout isn't stealing someone else's design, it's just saying what wires do what job.

The name is still at the top of that page, not blacked out, and he had CAMO's permission to reuse it (milcommoguy, also known as CAMO and owner of CAMOTEK, later in the thread)

Believe it or not, a lot of the people on here aren't here to make huge amounts of money, but to help others be able to fix their stuff, and at reasonable prices.


Now, I may be seeing something different than you, so rather than just repeatedly stating that someone is dishonest or unethical, could you please provide the actual information that you are disputing/refuting, rather than just repeately calling people names?

I reread the entire thread and still missed that permission. I saw were he helped him understand the CAMO circuit, but not where calling it his own and releasing it to others was approved.
Sorry. I believe in doing the right thing. You don't have to agree to do right, yourself. Everyone has to choose their own path.
I can still call out wrongdoings when I see them.
Like opinions, your life decisions mean more to you than to anyone else.

Merry Christmas, to all.

I'm done trying to validate honesty. (At least here...)

 

[86humv]

If you have the money and not the time to build your own start box out of used and cheap china parts...then a Camo box would be the answer.
All new quality parts...not china parts, new style box to fit trucks that also have that internal armor part.

 

[Retiredwarhorses]

I reread the entire thread and still missed that permission. I saw were he helped him understand the CAMO circuit, but not where calling it his own and releasing it to others was approved.
Sorry. I believe in doing the right thing. You don't have to agree to do right, yourself. Everyone has to choose their own path.
I can still call out wrongdoings when I see them.
Like opinions, your life decisions mean more to you than to anyone else.

Merry Christmas, to all.

I'm done trying to validate honesty. (At least here...)

So, being a newb…you come into a forum “as many have” asking questions and then attack some of those attempting to help you, I see this time and again here, you frankly either have something to contribute or you are just a troll, try scrolling on if you don’t like something.
And on a side note…99% of HMMWV owners arent rich, a new OEM S3 box is $1k or more, an aftermarket is now same or more, so cost is a
no.1 factor for an owner on a budget and an owner willing to put in the work.
Lastly, push button start boxes have been around since probably before you knew what a hmmwv was, there is absolutely nothing new about them or proprietary, 99% of aftermarket hmmwv products have been ripped off from one person after another “China”, if you haven’t already installed something stolen and copied yet? You just haven’t owned a hmmwv long enough.

 

[Powderkegger]

I replied to someone who said I should checkout his product (which I didn't ask about) by telling him the truth, that I had checked it out. It is stolen off someone else's intellectual property (proof shown by him) yet claiming it was his. And being an electronic technician for the last 37 years, I can atest to his version as carrying too much load for the components he recommends.
Anyone can make anything they want and I have no issue with needing / wanting / using the inexpensive solution.
Just be honest about it.
How can you trust anyone who steals credit for something they didn't do?

You want to believe a lie? Cool. I choose not to.

 

[Coug]

I replied to someone who said I should checkout his product (which I didn't ask about) by telling him the truth, that I had checked it out. It is stolen off someone else's intellectual property (proof shown by him) yet claiming it was his. And being an electronic technician for the last 37 years, I can atest to his version as carrying too much load for the components he recommends.
Anyone can make anything they want and I have no issue with needing / wanting / using the inexpensive solution.
Just be honest about it.
How can you trust anyone who steals credit for something they didn't do?

You want to believe a lie? Cool. I choose not to.

Depending on your starter box, you can turn it into something much more robust. In my signature line, you will find a link that allowed meto learn how to fix the deficiencies of a starter box.

Are you reading something different than the rest of us? That thread doesn't have a product for sale, it talks about how to modify the box using off the shelf components to make it more reliable and less likely to cause another burn out of all the glow plugs. At no point in his post did he say he has a product for sale, or that you should go find something and buy it. On that thread in his signature he points out that, while he does sell boxes, he would prefer that people build their own.

If you really think the so called "intellectual property" was stolen, have you pointed it out to the person who supposedly owns said "intellectual property" or are you just taking it upon yourself to make a huge fuss about it? The fact that you're on here trying to argue about it shows that you have not.


That thread in his signature is from 2018. That means that anyone who had an issue with it has had over 7 years to dispute any legality of it's content, and has either chosen not to do so, or was actually involved in it's creation.

Believe it or not the moderators of this website do take accusations of theft/wrong doing seriously, and if there was an issue with that thread it would no longer exist.


And once again, which components that were listed on that thread are the ones that you have an issue with as being potentially undersized/underrated for this application?

 

[Powderkegger]

Are you reading something different than the rest of us? That thread doesn't have a product for sale, it talks about how to modify the box using off the shelf components to make it more reliable and less likely to cause another burn out of all the glow plugs. At no point in his post did he say he has a product for sale, or that you should go find something and buy it. On that thread in his signature he points out that, while he does sell boxes, he would prefer that people build their own.

If you really think the so called "intellectual property" was stolen, have you pointed it out to the person who supposedly owns said "intellectual property" or are you just taking it upon yourself to make a huge fuss about it? The fact that you're on here trying to argue about it shows that you have not.


That thread in his signature is from 2018. That means that anyone who had an issue with it has had over 7 years to dispute any legality of it's content, and has either chosen not to do so, or was actually involved in it's creation.

Believe it or not the moderators of this website do take accusations of theft/wrong doing seriously, and if there was an issue with that thread it would no longer exist.


And once again, which components that were listed on that thread are the ones that you have an issue with as being potentially undersized/underrated for this application?

That is a lot to unpack.
1. He has sold physical product. (But I really don't care.)
2. He claims the intellectual property of another person, while trying to redact information that would show it, yet missing info that did identify it.
3. He altered the original (likely not understanding amperage needs) to use lower capacity parts (likely due to trying to keep cost down) which dropped the quality of the original design. (And, NO, I am not going to state what he got wrong and fix the design for you/him. That would be shear stupidity on my part...)
4. When I did research this, I did speak to the ORIGINAL creator. (As you don't know the whole story, I'll leave it at that.)
5. I believe in honor and integrity enough to buy from the ORIGINAL creator. I found his product to be the most capable available, and his work ethic and character to be in the highest I've seen in any industry.
6. I support men with integrity, who are honest, forthcoming.
7. I did not post on TOBASH's posts or replies. I did not call him out. He posted on mine. I replied honestly on what I had seen/noticed/evaluated.

I believe I'm still in America where freedom of speech is allowed. I realize it is not freedom of consequence of said speech. If people believe or research on there own ans see what is there to blatantly observe...fine. If they can't see (or don't want to) no skin off my nose either.

The more people post to say intellectual property theft is OK with them... the more this issue stays current. I'm OK with that, too.

I'm not one to yell into the darkness. If you believe me wrong, cool. Prove me incorrect, or scroll on by.

I've said my piece, in all these replies. If you don't want me to continue...don't reply and I'll have no need to.

I wish everyone a merry Christmas and have a wonderful New Year!