Thoughts on NOS steering parts

[Nethawk86]

Hey all. What's everyone's thoughts on rubber degradation on NOS steering components or any component for that matter? There's tons of NOS control arm bushings, tie rod ends, steering arms, bushings in general, that are cheaper than buying newer made reproduction parts from china or rebuilt stuff like Midwest military or hummerparts/FMP, and are better made oem components. However, given these are 20+ years old in some cases or "unknown" years old, what're your thoughts on the rubber being that old...possibly brittle, like tires. Better to buy new reproduction? or am i overthinking the properties?

 

[Coug]

Part of it depends on how they are stored. Items properly stored will still last a very long time.
On the other hand I have yet to see any parts from China that I would trust, especially on a critical system like steering.

Things like tie rod ends and idler arms have benefitted from upgrades over the years, so buying the MOOG components makes more sense than cheaping out on old stock or repro

Tires, if properly stored, will last a long time, but some versions like the Wrangler MTR are no good at this point no matter how new they look. I've got 20 year old Wrangler MT tires on trailers that don't concern me at all for age/condition.

Here is a picture showing the difference between an upgraded MOOG arm and the A2 idler arm. That A2 arm was NOS and lasted maybe 5k miles before I replaced it, the MOOG has been in over 10K miles no issues.

 

[Nethawk86]

I just went down the rabbit hole on the MTR research and got a pair of them after it was essentially understood as the problem with them being typical tire issues which are not cracked or split and not left outside for decades, theyll be fine. The recall was never "offficial" and was just from the local commands issues stemming from leaving them out and dry rotting which is like any tire.

That NOS A2 arm looks pretty had for 5k miles. Mine had 8k and its still tight. Guess it depends on variant (armor vs none, offroad vs onroad). Dont want to spend the coin to redo the entire steering system to house the moog from A2 model and theres tons of NOS components for cheap which id prefer over China/repro crap.

 

[Coug]

I just went down the rabbit hole on the MTR research and got a pair of them after it was essentially understood as the problem with them being typical tire issues which are not cracked or split and not left outside for decades, theyll be fine. The recall was never "offficial" and was just from the local commands issues stemming from leaving them out and dry rotting which is like any tire.

That NOS A2 arm looks pretty had for 5k miles. Mine had 8k and its still tight. Guess it depends on variant (armor vs none, offroad vs onroad). Dont want to spend the coin to redo the entire steering system to house the moog from A2 model and theres tons of NOS components for cheap which id prefer over China/repro crap.

I play with my truck, and it had the Marine Armor Kit installed, so suspension is extremely stiff, and I go play on the Jeep trails and occasional rock crawling, so it gets a workout. The arm in the picture was actually a replacement for the one that came with the truck that only lasted a few thousand miles, so that's why I spent the extra money to go with the MOOG when replacing for a second time.


TACOM SOUM 18-007. It's behind military CAC login so not available to the civilian world, but I found multiple references to it from a variety of sources.
The removal from service of MT/R tires was very official, and affected the entire military.

The only thing different is some units/installations decided to immediately destroy every single MT/R tire, and not just the ones over 5 years old like the safety of use message said to do.
The other HMMWV tire versions did NOT have this issue and were not affected, so the conclusion this was a typical tire issue and no different than any other tire failures is definitely not true.

 

[Nethawk86]

I play with my truck, and it had the Marine Armor Kit installed, so suspension is extremely stiff, and I go play on the Jeep trails and occasional rock crawling, so it gets a workout. The arm in the picture was actually a replacement for the one that came with the truck that only lasted a few thousand miles, so that's why I spent the extra money to go with the MOOG when replacing for a second time.


TACOM SOUM 18-007. It's behind military CAC login so not available to the civilian world, but I found multiple references to it from a variety of sources.
The removal from service of MT/R tires was very official, and affected the entire military.

The only thing different is some units/installations decided to immediately destroy every single MT/R tire, and not just the ones over 5 years old like the safety of use message said to do.
The other HMMWV tire versions did NOT have this issue and were not affected, so the conclusion this was a typical tire issue and no different than any other tire failures is definitely not true.

Ive got my CAC access and Goodyear tires never ever sent or received an official recall on the MTRs. It was commands only inside the military. Goodyear never recalled them and never showed issues from the normal usage of them beyond typical tire wear, which like any tire, after 6-8 years, are the typical replacement life anyhow especially when these are left outside and show cracks.

 

[Nethawk86]

Goodyear MT/R Tires Safety Message

Just a follow up notice sent out by texas Sent from my SM-G965U using Tapatalk That's a "invaild attachment"

www.steelsoldiers.com

They also did the research i did as well and mirror what i found.

I play with my truck, and it had the Marine Armor Kit installed, so suspension is extremely stiff, and I go play on the Jeep trails and occasional rock crawling, so it gets a workout. The arm in the picture was actually a replacement for the one that came with the truck that only lasted a few thousand miles, so that's why I spent the extra money to go with the MOOG when replacing for a second time.


TACOM SOUM 18-007. It's behind military CAC login so not available to the civilian world, but I found multiple references to it from a variety of sources.
The removal from service of MT/R tires was very official, and affected the entire military.

The only thing different is some units/installations decided to immediately destroy every single MT/R tire, and not just the ones over 5 years old like the safety of use message said to do.
The other HMMWV tire versions did NOT have this issue and were not affected, so the conclusion this was a typical tire issue and no different than any other tire failures is definitely not true.

 

[Retiredwarhorses]

I just went down the rabbit hole on the MTR research and got a pair of them after it was essentially understood as the problem with them being typical tire issues which are not cracked or split and not left outside for decades, theyll be fine. The recall was never "offficial" and was just from the local commands issues stemming from leaving them out and dry rotting which is like any tire.

That NOS A2 arm looks pretty had for 5k miles. Mine had 8k and its still tight. Guess it depends on variant (armor vs none, offroad vs onroad). Dont want to spend the coin to redo the entire steering system to house the moog from A2 model and theres tons of NOS components for cheap which id prefer over China/repro crap.

Really? Just what research did you do on the MTR debacle?
I know first hand entire fleets of Hmmwv’s were deadlined….ask me how I know.
The MTR issue was a piss poor design and mold, hence whey it’s no longer mfg’d and the tire of choice is the Baja BFG.
The Issue so happens to be that the tires were under inflated on UAH’s, the required PSI is 50-60 psi.
ive seen 20yr old MT’s with little to no sidewall cracking, ive got BFG’s on every truck I own and no side wall cracking, 97% of every truck received in has side wall failure if MTR equipped, I’ve currently got approximately 8 trucks here needing new tires.

as far as parts? You get what you pay for, I only use OEM parts from a distributor, that’s MAC and HPG, unless you can spot the
the difference, which most can’t, the key to parts application is using the proper TM and UOC.

And yes, I had a CAC card when this was an issue…your CAC doesn’t get you some unlimited amount of unseen data that a Civ can’t see on this issue…cuz if there was some level security classification on it? You couldn’t put it out anyway.

 

[Nethawk86]

Really? Just what research did you do on the MTR debacle?
I know first hand entire fleets of Hmmwv’s were deadlined….ask me how I know.
The MTR issue was a piss poor design and mold, hence whey it’s no longer mfg’d and the tire of choice is the Baja BFG.
The Issue so happens to be that the tires were under inflated on UAH’s, the required PSI is 50-60 psi.
ive seen 20yr old MT’s with little to no sidewall cracking, ive got BFG’s on every truck I own and no side wall cracking, 97% of every truck received in has side wall failure if MTR equipped, I’ve currently got approximately 8 trucks here needing new tires.

as far as parts? You get what you pay for, I only use OEM parts from a distributor, that’s MAC and HPG, unless you can spot the
the difference, which most can’t, the key to parts application is using the proper TM and UOC.

And yes, I had a CAC card when this was an issue…your CAC doesn’t get you some unlimited amount of unseen data that a Civ can’t see on this issue…cuz if there was some level security classification on it? You couldn’t put it out anyway.

Literally posted the same thing other have found thats documented on here. I have MTRs thatre from 2018 and no issues whatsoever thus far. I dont go BAJA or rock climbing with them, dont air them down below 30 PSI as my only off roading is flat desert out here in Arizona going shooting, otherwise its roads. These are more than fine for that for $150 each tire vs $1800 brand new or $600 used.

Goodyear MT/R Tires Safety Message

Just a follow up notice sent out by texas Sent from my SM-G965U using Tapatalk That's a "invaild attachment"

www.steelsoldiers.com

 

[Retiredwarhorses]

Suffice to say, the problem is the “tire” as the 2 other tires used on the hmmwv are not an issue and not subject to any SOUM
regardless of date code.