Deuce GVWR ??

[miketrock]

What is the Gross Vehichle Weight Rating of an M35A2 ??

 

[clinto]

http://www.steelsoldiers.com/deuce/37644-deuce-gvwr.html

 

[Bighurt]

Depends on your state...

 

[Flyingvan911]

I think the data plate says 23,030 for on road. Mine weighs 13,500 empty so I'd call mine full at about 23,500. My missouri plate is for 24,000. I think the general consensus is a gvrw of about 23,500 from the posts I've seen.

 

[Squirt-Truck]

GVWR is what the truck is plated at regardless of where it is. GVW is what it weighs and some states supposedly look at that, but FDOT will look at that only to determine if you exceed GVWR so they know how much to make the ticket for...........

Commercial rating of the deuce is much higher, but that is not what they are plated at, besides that starts getting real close to the dreaded 26,001 number. (Which the still cross with 105 in tow...)

 

[Bighurt]

GVWR is what the truck is plated at regardless of where it is. GVW is what it weighs and some states supposedly look at that, but FDOT will look at that only to determine if you exceed GVWR so they know how much to make the ticket for...........

ND registers trucks at 10000 lbs or double the unladen weight whichever is more.

GVWR of my M35 is 27060lbs.

I tried fighting it...I lost.

Edit; out of the NDCC manual
TRUCKS: 39–01–01 Subsection 45 and 88, 39–04–19 Subsection 2(b), 39–04–26, 39–12–05, 39-04-23 (NDCC)
B. Minimum registered weight for any truck is double the unloaded weight.

 

[Squirt-Truck]

OUCH, that is not even close to what the Fed specification is. The manufacturers in most cases would have a real issue with that if someone with the funds actually pursued the issue.

 

[F18hornetM]

The state doesnt care if you can really carry that much they just want to charge you for it. You can over register a truck in Md too. State will gladly accept the payment even though overloaded per GVWR.
Interestingly, In md historic is listed as N/A on registration weight, although if you used one for commercial use and put truck tags on it, they would tag it at least GVWR. $$

 

[Bighurt]

OUCH, that is not even close to what the Fed specification is. The manufacturers in most cases would have a real issue with that if someone with the funds actually pursued the issue.

It's a money thing. There are more pick-up trucks per capita in ND than any other state in the union and the minimum registration is 10k (my post was for Trucks, pick-ups have other criteria). So by NDDOT records there is a ton more weight on the road which helps with funding.

If you are pulled over and exceed GAWR, GVWR or GCVW they can still nail you with overweigh, but other than commercial outfits has anyone ever heard of an overweight ticket for a pick-up or similar.

What sucks is my M35 is over 26001 so I had to get a CDL, Class B, but Class A covers it.

 

[m16ty]

ND registers trucks at 10000 lbs or double the unladen weight whichever is more.

GVWR of my M35 is 27060lbs.

I tried fighting it...I lost.

Edit; out of the NDCC manual
TRUCKS: 39–01–01 Subsection 45 and 88, 39–04–19 Subsection 2(b), 39–04–26, 39–12–05, 39-04-23 (NDCC)
B. Minimum registered weight for any truck is double the unloaded weight.

GVWR aside, in TN a deuce is rated for 46,000lbs if you go by axle weight allowed . You still can't exceed your GVWR though unless the truck is modified. There is a process to modify a truck to increase the GVWR but it's not something somebody can do in their own driveway.

 

[quickfarms]

California uses declared weight so you register a vehicle for anything over the unladen weight but do not get scaled at over your registered weight. Most vehicles are registered at there GVWR but some are registered over the max axle rating and that is just giving the state money.

 

[elgordo371]

Resurrecting a dead thread because it misdefined the applicability of GVWR to equal GCWR.

The GVWR of a Deuce, as correctly stated earlier, is the weight of the vehicle plus 10,000 cargo & crew on highway, and plus 6,000 cross country as clearly stated on the data plate.

Where this old thread erred was in confusing the Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (GVWR) with the Gross COMBINED Weight Rating (GCWR).

My M35A2C WO/W is 13,500 lbs. The cargo capacity on highway is 10,000 lbs for a GCWR on highway of 23,500 lbs or cross country 19,500 lbs.

Towing capacity is an ADDITIONAL 10,000 lbs.

That makes the GCWR equal to (23,500 + 10,000) 33,500 lbs on highway, and 29,500 lbs cross country.

The real limiting factor for bed cargo is the NDT tires. There is a significant safety margin in the brakes presuming optimally maintained (your mileage may vary).

Also recall that these were designed before the Interstate System existed.

While I do not know the highway speed ratings REO used in design, I doubt that they were for a 55 MPH Highway with a 45 MPH minimum speed. The Rating if calculated today by a modern manufacturer with today's Interstate Freeways would likely be much lower.

I would suggest that if you had NEW NDTs (not NOS) then your real GVWR and GCWR would easily match the data plate so long as you operate the vehicle at its stated cruising speed of 35-45 MPH.

If you have 395/85R20 modern tires then your real GVWR and GCWR (if REO Engineers were around to recalculate) probably would be a few thousand pounds higher.

Given people's lesser familiarity with drum brake maintenance, the single circuit system, and inability to real-world replicate the Army' specified maintenance schedule, I would suggest that if you wanted to run those data-plate weights on a modern freeway then you would need an upgraded dual-circuit brake system, at least front disc brakes, maybe disc's on all 6, and that system would need to be made of components specified under modern DOT regulations for weights AT LEAST 33,500lbs + 20% per SAE estimating guidelines, or about 40,200 lbs total.

I hope it is not too controversial to unequivocally state that realistically, you would need a stronger engine as well, at least in the 250 HP/450 FT LB range, to be operating with those weights on public highways in 2026.

Just my $.02. If you are essentially using your truck as a showpiece or farm truck, you dont need to do anything, IMHO.